Tuesday, 05 February 2013 20:43

Pt. 45 - Post-Flood Giants

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Nimrod Painting 2“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.” (Genesis 6:4)


When we left off last time, I had mentioned that the post-flood giants described in the Bible initially came through Ham’s line, and we’ll get to that in a moment. Since we presume that God chose Noah’s family to re-populate the earth because they were ‘tamiym’, or genetically pure and without Nephilim blood, then we have to wonder how the Nephilim came to exist again after the flood.


There are only two possible reasons for this re-emergence;  1) Additional Watcher angels fell a second time after the flood and once again took human wives, or;  2) One of the sons of Noah married a wife that carried at least some Nephilim DNA. Since there is no biblical or secular record of the “Sons of God” descending and fostering the Nephilim a second time after the flood, we can presume that the truth is behind door number two.

Nimrod the ‘Gibbor’

Genesis and 1 Chronicles strongly suggest that Nephilim DNA was present on the earth in at least two of Ham’s sons, Mizraim and Cush, since giants can be directly traced to the lines of those two sons. Genesis 10 provides the lineage;


The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put and Canaan. The sons of Cush: Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and Sabteca. The sons of Raamah: Sheba and Dedan.

Cush was the father of Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth. He was a mighty hunter before the LORD? that is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD.” The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Akkad and Calneh, in Shinar. From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah; that is the great city. (Genesis 10:6-12)


Based on this lineage, the first post-flood indication of Nephilim blood appears to come through Ham’s son Cush, who fathered Nimrod. And it’s interesting that Nimrod is singled out in this passage, being described as a gibbor, which is translated as 'mighty warrior' in most western language Bibles. On the surface this merely sounds like Nimrod was a good hunter, but that is not the entire story. The term gibbor actually has several connotations that led the Jewish translators of the Septuagint to render this word as “giant” instead;


And Chus begot Nebrod: he began to be a giant upon the earth. He was a giant hunter before the Lord God; therefore they say, As Nebrod the giant hunter before the Lord. (Genesis 10:8-9 LXX)


Nimrod - TowerThis passage would suggest that not only was Nimrod a giant himself, but that he hunted other giants. And according to records from many ancient cultures this was indeed the case, since Nimrod was depicted as a giant that hunted or subdued other giants in order to bend them to his will.  If true, this would certainly explain why he was the first ruler of the post-flood world, because any man that could harness the power of the giants would certainly earn his leadership among his own people.


The adjacent illustration appears to confirm the size of Nimrod, who is depicted here building the tower of Babel. Notice that he appears to be about twice the size of the other men in this relief. Again, this is consistent with other historical accounts.


Although the Bible does not go into any detail about Nimrod's role in the Tower of Babel, the book of Jashar does, specifically naming him as the Nimrod - Subjectsbuilder of the tower and the primary reason for the rebellion against God that took place in those days. In fact, the name Nimrod literally means 'Rebellion', which seems to confirm his role in that matter. God had commanded man to spread out over the earth after the great flood, but Nimrod rebelled and sought to keep them in Babel in order to build his empire. That act of rebellion led to the confusion of languages at Babel, which in turn forced man to spread out as God had commanded.


There are also a number of other reliefs that depict ancient kings as giants, such as the one on the left that clearly suggests that this king was three times the size of his subjects, pictured standing in front of him. While mainstream archaeology would consider this to be hyperbole, it seems to me that is squares with the biblical account of giants as the "men of renown" in Genesis 6 "and afterward" in the post-flood world.


The 'Gibbor' Pictographs


Because of this accumulation of circumstantial evidence that suggests that Nimrod was a giant, I thought it would be interesting to examine the word gibbor in the ancient Hebrew pictographs to see if these 'picture' letters would provide any additional depth to our understanding of Nimrod. And they do.


Gibbor is spelled ‘Gimal-Beyt-Resh’ in Hebrew, and the vowels are inferred. In modern Hebrew the word would appear this way, reading from right to left;





However, in the ancient pictographic Hebrew, the letters would be illustrated as a foot, a house, and a man’s head, in the following manner, again reading from right to left;

GIbbor Picto




In order, this suggests the ideas of 1) walking/gathering; 2) house/family;  and 3) man/first.  In essence, the message may be;


“Gathering the House of Men”

However, it could also have additional or alternative meanings, such as "gathering the first house", or perhaps "gathering the house of the first/head." But however we render it, it's clear that the gibbor were intent on 'gathering' mankind in some way. And Nimrod was the first post-flood ruler of the earth, meaning that he was the first to gather men into a kingdom. So once again, the pictographs provide an additional level of understanding to our studies, as it appears that the gibborim were 'mighty men' that assembled kingdoms.

The Caphtorites

While we could examine Ham's lineage in great detail as many others have, I’d rather focus on just a few of his descendants that were clearly depicted as giants in the Bible. We’ve already seen that Ham’s first son Cush fathered Nimrod, who was a giant. But his second son Mizraim also fathered giants such as Caphtor, the ancestor of the Philistines;


The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put and Canaan………Mizraim was the father of the Ludites, Anamites, Lehabites, Naphtuhites, Pathrusites, Casluhites (from whom the Philistines came) and Caphtorites. (Genesis 10:6-14)


In this passage from the NIV translation, it would appear that the Philistines came from the tribe of Casluhites, but that is not an accurate translation. The Philistines actually came from the Caphtorites, the next name on that list. Other translations render this passage more accurately, as with the New Living and Basic English translations;


And Pathrusim and Casluhim and Caphtorim, from whom came the Philistines. (Genesis 10:14)


We know that this latter translation is more accurate since other scriptures in the Bible affirm that the Philistines came from Caphtor. For instance, consisder the following passages found in the writings of the prophets Jeremiah and Amos;


For the day has come to destroy all the Philistines and to cut off all survivors who could help Tyre and Sidon. The LORD is about to destroy the Philistines, the remnant from the coasts of Caphtor. (Jeremiah 47:4)


Are not you Israelites the same to me as the Cushites?” declares the LORD. “Did I not bring Israel up from Egypt, the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir? (Amos 9:7)


This may seem like a small point, but it’s actually quite important since Caphtor was from the islands of the Mediterranean, specifically Crete, and the legends of giant demi-gods ran rampant on Crete and throughout the Greek Isles. When you think of the Greco-Roman pantheon of gods and Goliathdemi-gods, you can trace them to this precise area, where the presence of the post-flood Nephilim was very prominent. So the fact that the Philistines came from these people should be no surprise, since the Philistines also had their share of giants such as Goliath;


A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp. He was over nine feet tall. (1Samuel 17:4)


This height of “over nine feet” was based on the 18” cubit, whereas the evidence suggests that Israel was using the slightly longer Egyptian cubit of 20.7 inches, which would make Goliath almost 11 feet tall in reality.  No wonder King Saul and his men were afraid of him. He was twice their height and many times their weight and strength.

The Amorites

Now we can turn our attention to Canaan, the fourth son of Ham, who fathered the giant race of the Amorites that plagued the land of Canaan, or modern day Israel; 


The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, Put and Canaan………Canaan was the father of Sidon his firstborn, and of the Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, Girgashites, Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites. (Genesis 10:6-18)


While several of these tribes can be linked to the Nephilim, it’s the Amorites that I’d like to pay special attention to, based on a particular verse in the Bible that I think clearly explains that these people were giants. Through the prophety Amos, God said this about these descendants of Canaan;


Cedar TreeI destroyed the Amorite before them, though he was tall as the cedars and strong as the oaks. I destroyed his fruit above and his roots below. (Amos 2:9)


Some commentators believe that this is mere poetry when God compares the height of the Amorites to cedar trees.  But I don’t think so.  It seems that God was using the height of a cedar tree as a literal symbol to convey their size. And since cedars routinely grow over 35 feet tall, and as high as 75+ feet in some areas, we have to wonder just how big these Nephilim descendants became.


Historical records indicate that the bones of giant men up to 35 and 36 feet tall were found in antiquity, and these accounts come from all over the ancient world, as described in Steve Quayle’s book “Genesis 6 Giants”. The tallest skeletons appear to be centered around the Middle East and the Mediterranean, while skeletons of 8’ to 15’ have been found throughout Europe and the Americas.


One might expect this declining size after the flood, since men no longer lived for 900+ years as they did before the flood. With the much shorter life spans of 150 to 250 years, these giants would naturally not reach their full potential genetically. In addition, it's quite possible that their DNA became ‘watered down’ through subsequent generations of inter-breeding with non-Nephilim mates. So by the time Moses recorded their activity in the Torah, these giants were of the smaller size of 10 to 15 feet. As an example, we read of the giant Amorite king 'Og' of Bashan;


Ogs BedOnly Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites. His bed was made of iron and was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites. (Dt 3:11)


This is another case where the cubit of 18 inches was used, when it probably should have been the Egyptian cubit of 20.7 inches. That would suggest that Og’s bed was around 15 feet tall, and Og was therefore somewhere near that height. While all of this may seem rather extreme, please understand that plenty of fossils of this size have been found around the world.


While ‘Og’ is identified as a “Rephaite” in this verse, the Rephaites were descended from the Amorites, which is verified in the following passage where Og is also described as an "Amorite";


These are the stipulations, decrees and laws Moses gave them when they came out of Egypt and were in the valley near Beth Peor east of the Jordan, in the land of Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon and was defeated by Moses and the Israelites as they came out of Egypt. They took possession of his land and the land of Og king of Bashan, the two Amorite kings east of the Jordan.  (Dt 4:45-47)


From this we can see that the Rephaites were descendants of the Amorites, so that Gog was both a Rephaite, and a descendant of the Amorites. And both of these were descendants of the Nephilim.

The Nephilim Descendants

From the Amorites we can also tie this line to other tribes mentioned in the Bible, such as the Anakites, the Emites, the Horites, the Zamzummites, and other Canaanite tribes. The biblical record is pretty clear that these people grew to enormous heights, and the following passages are just a few that point this out;


The Emites used to live there—a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. Like the Anakites, they too were considered Rephaites, but the Moabites called them Emites. (Dt 2:10-11)


Here we see the Emites and Anakites connected to the Rephaites, who descended from Rapha, a known Amorite giant living in the land of Canaan. His name meant 'the dead', which I suppose is an appropriate way to describe how God viewed he and his descendants, because not only were the giants dead spiritually, but they were also virtually wiped out during Israel’s conquest of Canaan.


The etimology of the name Emites is interesting as well, since it means 'terrors'.  And indeed, when the 12 spies of Israel entered the land of Canaan, they were terrified by the size of it’s inhabitants;


"We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” (Numbers 13:33)


The “Nephilim” that they saw there were clearly the tribes such as the Amorites, Rephaim, Emites, and Anakim that we‘ve already discussed.  But there were additional giants as well, including the Zamzummites, who are described as being “as tall as the Anakites”;


“When you come to the Ammonites, do not harass them or provoke them to war, for I will not give you possession of any land belonging to the Ammonites. I have given it as a possession to the descendants of Lot.” That too was considered a land of the Rephaites, who used to live there; but the Ammonites called them Zamzummites. They were a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. The LORD destroyed them from before the Ammonites, who drove them out and settled in their place.  (Deuteronomy 2:19-21)


If you read further, this same passage also describes the Horites being driven out of the land by Esau, and suggests that the Horites were also giants. And there are many other references to giants as well. The point is that the Bible is loaded with these references, and that the land of Canaan was occupied by giants when God sent Israel to drive them out.


Abyss PrisonIn the end, when we consider just who it is that is coming out of the Abyss, we have to understand that these scorpion locusts are the evil spirits of the Bible, described in the extra-biblical book of Enoch as the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephilim;


“And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits on the earth, and shall live on the earth. Evil spirits have come out from their bodies because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers; their beginning is from primal origin. They shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called; spirits of the evil ones." (Enoch 15:8)


In the past three posts we’ve really only skimmed the surface of the giants in the Bible in order to demonstrate a point regarding the fifth trumpet. If the reader wishes to pursue further study on the biblical giants, I would recommend Rob Skiba’s analysis in ‘The Genesis Six Experiment’ or ‘Post Flood Giants’, which can be found at his Babylon Rising Blog. I also recommend Steve Quayle's book ‘Genesis 6 Giants’, which is one of the best compilations on historical giants that I've read.


In the next post we’ll get continue with the symbolism behind the demonic locusts of the Fifth Trumpet.


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#13 Mike 2013-10-03 00:33

One last thing about Enoch; it is true that additional texts were added to the end of the book, including what some suspect is the lost book of Noah. It's similar to how 'Bel and the Dragon' was added to the book of Daniel in the Catholic Canon. Most scholars that have studied Enoch intently understand that these texts have been added, and do not give them much weight.

#12 Mike 2013-10-03 00:27
(continued from previous reply)

This is regrettable, because Enoch explains many things about the pre-flood world that the Bible only eludes to. It explains in great detail the fall of the Watcher angels and their mating with human women, the resulting Nephilim giants, the origin of the subsequent evil spirits, and the true depth of depravity that led to the complete destruction of the world by flood. However, Genesis is written as though God expected us to understand some of these things already. Well, how would this be possible if not for the book of Enoch?

It’s quite clear to anyone that studies Enoch that over a hundred New Testament scriptures find precedent in this book. And we know Enoch came first since it was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date to the 2nd and 3rd century B.C. The truth is, Jesus and the disciples knew this book VERY well, and Jude even quoted from it (Jude 1:14), calling Enoch a prophet. If Jude made a direct quote from it - under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - then God clearly considered it to be authoritative.

Following in the footsteps of Jesus and the disciples, many second and third century church fathers accepted Enoch as authentic, including Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origin, Clement of Alexandria, Athenagoras, and Tertullian. Tertullian even called it “Holy Scripture”. It only became ‘discredited’ after the Council of Laodicea in the 4th century A.D., for reasons that would make this post way too lengthy if I elaborated.

Anyway, I’ll continue to study these two books because God’s Word has pointed me in their direction.



P.S. My e-mail notification was not working, which is the reason for the delay in this reply. I just found this tonight.
#11 Mike 2013-10-03 00:26

Please bear with me here, since this reply is fairly long. I’ll have to break it up into two replies.

I read Jashar and Enoch only because the Bible points me in their direction through scripture. For instance, consider how God goes out of His way to mention Jashar with regard to Israel’s post-Exodus destruction of the Amorites;

Jos 10:13 “So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar.”

Why should God mention Jashar at all, unless He wanted us to have a fuller understanding of those events? But God doesn’t stop there. He goes out of His way to mention Jashar again in 2Samuel 1:17. He certainly didn’t need to, so I can only surmise that there is additional information there that He desires us to have. In the same way, the Bible points us to many other books that have been lost to time;

1) The Book of Wars of the Lord (Num 21:14)
2) The Annals of Jehu (2Chr 20:34)
3) The Treatise of the Book of the Kings (2Chr 24:27)
4) The Acts of Solomon (1Ki 11:41)
5) The Chronicles of David (1Chr 27:24)
6) The Chronicles of Samuel, Nathan, Gad (1Chr 29:29)
7) The Records of Nathan the Prophet (2Chr 9:29)
8) The Records of Ahijah the Shilonite (2Chr 9:29)
9) The Treatise of the Prophet Iddo (2Chr 13:22)

If any of these books were found in the future, and some may be, then they would be equally dismissed by scholars, who would understandably fear the potential for corruptions. This is the bane of existence for any ‘lost’ book once it is finally found.

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#10 Laurence Bosma 2013-09-02 04:53
In response to comment #9: Tell the Etheopians to tear Enoch out of there bible? I don't think so, they were not subject to the influences of papal Rome or her daughters and for them it is canon. As for Jasher I believe there are about 5 versions out there and without them/it I don't think we can put a full picture together of what was and is to come, they/it certainly contains food for thought and I am happy to have read at least 1 version and part of another. At least read it and see for yorself would be my take on it.
#9 M 2013-09-01 14:01
can we rely on books such as Enoch and Jasher since they are not bible books per se, and since it has been so heavily discredited? ( as a simple google search would show)
#8 mike 2013-04-30 01:39
Hi Chuck,

It’s true that there is no way to be dogmatic. I “presume” this to be true, but there is no way to know with any certainty. And yet, I believe it follows a scriptural trend of our rebellion against God's will.

For instance, It was God's will to raise up Samson to defeat Israel's dreaded enemy, the Philistines. But Samson instead chose a Philistine as his wife, defeating God's will. He embraced the very enemy that would cause his undoing.

In the same way, It was God's will to raise up Noah's family to prevail over the Nephilim. But Ham instead may have chosen a Nephilim offspring for his wife, again defeating God's will. As with Samson, he may have embraced the very enemy that would cause his undoing.

In both cases, it was God's will to provide deliverance for his people, but the measure of deliverance depended on obedience. Ultimately, God allows our free will, even when it's not in our best interest.


#7 Chuck 2013-04-29 23:13
My understanding of YHVH, and His perfect execution of what ever He does leads me to differ...I can not imagine that God would kill the whole world except for the few souls on the Ark, and leave the seed of demons alive on the Ark. At what point does anything NOT addressed in scripture determine a definite statement of fact by its mere absence? I don't think so...but of course can not be dogmatic about it. Doesn't really matter HOW, but that they existed is clear...and we need to be like David against Goliath in complete spiritual faith in order to live faithfully with their influence and existence in the end times.
#6 mike 2013-04-16 14:02
Hi Kevin,

I’m glad you’re encouraged by the material. I was equally frustrated when I was in your shoes, for the same reasons. I struggled to understand these things for many years, until I began cutting through the symbolism using a Hebraic lens. From that standpoint I encourage you to start at the beginning of the series. If we understand the symbolism of the Revelation from the wedding covenant perspective, described in the earliest posts, then the book is more easily understood.

Regarding the tetrads, I don’t think they herald the coming of Jesus…..yet. They are one of many precursors, but we’ve still got a little way to go. I’ll be covering this in the weeks ahead, because we’re coming to my favorite part of the Revelation, which describes the gathering of the saints.

I apologize for not posting much lately. With my work load and with some health issues that have sprung up in the past year, it’s been difficult at times. But things are slowly improving on both fronts, and I’m hoping to get back in the saddle. I have the next post half written right now, and should post it this week.


+1 #5 KevinSC 2013-04-16 03:31
Well you are obviously gifted by the Lord. I have spent the past few nights staying up all hours of the night reading the Daniel and Revelation series and I am blessed to have come across your site. I have not been this encouraged since I was born again 12 years ago. I have been searching for so long for so many answers I just have not been able to find. I am hungry for the rest of what these exciting books have to say to us. But based on the timeframe of when you started to date, and if the coming Tetrad of bloodmoons mean what many think they might, you will not have enough time to finish! I have no idea who you are as I cannot find any bio nor contact info on your site unless I am missing something, and I may be. I do not know what your personal and/or professional life is like, but I IMPLORE you to set aside some time and finish what you have started. This is just so important. In fact, with the end times upon us, I cannot think of anything more important. Your work here will be used to save souls. WOW this is good stuff! I won't even bother asking any theological questions pertaining to these studys as I have too many. Hence my excitement for you to continue. And could you look into possibly adding an email notification for when you do add more posts? I check back sometimes twice a day to look for new postings. May the Lord bless you, and thank you for your service to Him.
#4 Mike 2013-02-11 00:37

As to your assessment of the trumpets, that is always a possibility, as we’ve discussed before. It’s one of a number of ideas that we need to continually assess in our efforts to “watch” as Christ’s return gets closer.

With regard to Amos 7:1, I followed up on that LXX verse a few years ago and I don’t see how the translators came to that conclusion. I’ve read the original Hebrew in Amos 7:1, and Gog is not mentioned, nor is any derivative of that name that I can discern. So rather than providing a simple transliteration of the text, it appears that the LXX translators were imputing their beliefs onto the text.

Perhaps they were attempting to tie the locusts in Amos 7:1 to the invading horde of locusts in Joel 2 and the invading hordes of horses and riders in Ezekiel 38/39, who are led by Gog. If they saw those as parallel passages, then I can see why they would impute Gog into Amos 7:1. That’s the only thing that makes sense to me, because the word ‘Gog’ is not used or implied in the Hebrew.

As to just when Ezekiel 38/39 occurs, I see no reason to place that battle anywhere other then where Revelation 20:8 places it, which is after the Millennium is over and Satan is released from the Abyss. I think the conditions of Ezekiel 38/39 demand a post-millennium context. I know this is a minority opinion today, but I believe it is the correct opinion for a number of reasons that I will eventually cover in this series.